Are you guys really serious. (Me)
anon - Wed, 2012-05-02 07:39
Are you guys really serious. I've never seen so much navel gazing in my life. Are you guys even living in the real world? 'Get the workers first and the owners will follow' this is insane. Do you really believe this nonsense you are spouting?
My guess is that the Poly-Sci or Philosophy degree you knuckleheads got at Cal-Berkley didn't work out for you when you graduated and you want to blame someone else for your poor choices.
So your solution is to kill off the productive members of society and then what? Everything will fall into place? Please.
And what if you got what you want? True anarchy. As soon as one of you declared yourself the leader the others would turn on him like a shark feeding frenzy.
Here's an idea why don't you folks take a bath and get a real job and stop blaming your situation on others.
anon - Wed, 2012-05-02 07:47
troll.
Sorry thought you guys wanted (Me)
anon - Wed, 2012-05-02 07:51
Sorry thought you guys wanted a debate. I'll leave you to your echo chamber..
The "productive" members of
anon - Wed, 2012-05-02 07:55
The "productive" members of society are oh-so productive that they must rely on the labor of other people to make their money.
And labor relies on those who (Me)
anon - Wed, 2012-05-02 07:56
And labor relies on those who take risks to make money. Instead of gripping about what you want why don't you take a risk and go get it. Or is it that those who take risks somehow owe you, the worker, something that you didn't earn? Labor is a commodity not a religion.
anon - Wed, 2012-05-02 08:05
>production
>labor
>assumptions that taking 'risks' with money somehow legitimates capitalism
>labor
>assumptions that taking 'risks' with money somehow legitimates capitalism
Look no one here agrees with you on even the most basic things. The entire focus of this discussion is on creating ruptures in the system that you are trying to rationalize to us. Save yourself the time and turn back now dude, even if you were up for a serious debate on this and not just telling us to accept society as it is, @news is not the place for that debate. This is where we come to do our 'gripping' about things.
An addendum to that, if you
anon - Wed, 2012-05-02 08:06
An addendum to that, if you think labor isn't a religion you probably haven't spent much time around leftists.
I never said Capitalism would (Me)
anon - Wed, 2012-05-02 08:09
I never said Capitalism would 'save' anybody. It works for me and mine and that is all I can control. evil Capitalism has brought more people out of poverty than any other system. Communism on the other hand has killed about 100 million people in the last century alone.
Lulz at the troll who argues
anon - Wed, 2012-05-02 08:36
Lulz at the troll who argues against communism as if any of us support it. By the way, you're history is shit. Capitalism drove more people off the land than any other system and brought us to resource exhaustion and eventual collapse. Obvious troll is fucking retarded.
Not sure why being driven (Me)
anon - Wed, 2012-05-02 08:44
Not sure why being driven 'off the land' is such a bad thing. As for resource exhaustion there is enough clean burning natural gas to effectively run this country for 100 years at current consumption levels.
As for supporting or not supporting communism It is unclear to me what you guys support. It is true anarchy? Will roads just magically be made under your system? Schools magically be built? Further, if under your system, someone wants to make their life better (and by definition making everybody else's relatively worse) do you just kill the guy because he has risen above the crowd?
"Here's an idea why don't you
anon - Wed, 2012-05-02 08:00
"Here's an idea why don't you folks take a bath and get a real job and stop blaming your situation on others."
"Sorry thought you guys wanted a debate."
Right, I can tell that's totally what you came here for. Troll on.
Actually I came here to learn (Me)
anon - Wed, 2012-05-02 08:07
Actually I came here to learn what Anarchists really want - the occupy'ers aren't exactly eloquent with their message. I guess when you are paint bombing police cars and breaking store windows you don't have a lot of time to discuss their message.
So just so I understand your definition of Troll. Someone who comes to your comment section and actually disagrees with your point of view. Is that it? So rather than explain to me the superiority of your philosophy you just call me a troll and you feel good about yourself. Lame.
Why don't you explain your position so I can better understand what it is you are trying to say?
Learn it on your own. Go read
anon - Wed, 2012-05-02 08:21
Learn it on your own. Go read a book like the rest of us. You clearly have internet access. Google it you lazy prick.
Ahh, I guess you are too busy (ME)
anon - Wed, 2012-05-02 08:22
Ahh, I guess you are too busy throwing bricks I assume..
yes.
anon - Wed, 2012-05-02 08:35
yes
>Capitalism >Socialism >Mass
anon - Wed, 2012-05-02 08:46
>Capitalism
>Socialism
>Mass society
>Industrialization
>Domestication
>Social Hierarchy
>The State
>Global Economic System
>Socialism
>Mass society
>Industrialization
>Domestication
>Social Hierarchy
>The State
>Global Economic System
These are all things which I, and many (but not all) anarchists want to do away with or at least negate within our lifetimes by creating ruptures in these manifestations of domination which hold us back from our true desires. Now if you want info on Anarchism and its various ideologies why not start where many others have?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-civilization
http://theanarchistlibrary.org/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-civilization
http://theanarchistlibrary.org/
If you actually wanted us to explain our positions, maybe you should have just asked us that instead of being a dick and throwing out stereotypes and insults, you usually get a better response that way. Besides, we aren't the PR branch of Anarchy Inc., we're just a bunch of pissed mofos who want seize freedom by the fucking balls.
Thank you sir/madam for (Me)
anon - Wed, 2012-05-02 08:56
Thank you sir/madam for taking the time to put this together, honestly I appreciate it.
But here is where it falls out of bed with me. I simply can't get over the theory that a stateless society based on non-hierarchical voluntary association can really work in a global sense. Sure you can get about 50 or so folks in a commune to get along for a while but eventually someone is going to want to rise above the herd. Again this is nothing short of navel gazing. This stuff would never work in the real world.
Sadly, most begrudge the fact that they got a degree in some useless discipline, taken from a professor that allowed a TA to teach the class, so the professors could devote their own time to equally useless research paid for by the government. When the manage to graduate with a degree after six or more years languishing in college in one of the make me feel good (everyone gets a trophy) degree programs like Women studies, African- American studies, etc. and had to ask themselves, now where can I get a job in my area of study? To which the answer staring them in the face is waiting tables, but how am going to pay for my overpriced college education loans, the answer must be, to make someone else pay for it.
ReplyDeleteOr maybe they are the confused masses that keep saying “yes we can” or “hope and change”.
Just know this, as soon as you allow someone else to make the decision, your role in society becomes less and oppressed.
The flaw of indoctrinated based teaching is “that government has all the answers”, leading to passing feeling based laws and regulation, that defy common sense and lead to unintended consequences.
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